ellen degeneres is doing well. katie couric's contract with cbs is up in 2011. dr. oz, in syndication, as well. when you have a figure like this who is so important, beyond just rates. she's got a magazine. she's an industry, as diane noted earlier, i don't think it's just so easy for a talented, glib person to fill that void. this is a blow for syndicated television. >> thank you, howie. so many different ways of looking at it, tina. the business aspect. but there's going to be a void in people's lives. >> it's true. i do know a lot of women who make that date with oprah every day. and it does find of leave a void. interestingly, the only woman i've seen, only kind of figure that could possibly ever fill that void, would be michelle obama. michelle obama has great empathy. great intelligence. a great sense of herself, a kind of dignity. but has a warmth and embracing quality. i wouldn't be surprised if michelle's post-white house career wouldn't include that kind of television role. >> you always make us think, tina. you always make us think. tina brown, thank you